Here are both parts of my conversation with Jon Towers, host of the Abracast. Jon is an indie comic author and illustrator and is someone I found very relatable. He is also, of course, very well studied in esotericism and occultism, and was kind enough to read my book, Dive Manual, which made for some especially in-depth questions.
In the conversation, we discuss rites of passage, divination arts and modern psychology, hypnosis and altered states of consciousness, the works of neuroscientist VS Ramachandran, CG Jung, and more.